Heroin Heartbreak: From Pizza Boy to Community Savior

What if one low-level panic attack could set off a chain reaction that changes everything? Join us for a poignant episode of Rise from the Ashes as we sit down with Grant Shipman, affectionately known as "the co-living guy." Grant’s story is a beacon of hope and transformation.

Grant shares his journey from delivering Domino's pizza while sharing a cramped room with three others to discovering his girlfriend's heroin addiction. These experiences ignited his path toward self-betterment and compassion for others battling addiction, highlighting the power of resilience and determination.

Ever wondered how a stable home environment influences success? Grant’s insights underscore the power of a supportive household and grounding rituals. Reflecting on personal anecdotes and the COVID-19 pandemic, Grant emphasizes self-awareness, adaptability, and healthy relationships. This episode is rich with practical wisdom on overcoming addiction and infidelity and building a balanced life through daily practices.

Explore co-living and its potential to combat the rise of single-person households and the housing crisis. Discover the benefits of intentional communities, like the housing co-op in Austin, where residents learn conflict resolution, shared responsibility, and mutual support. These environments provide companionship and foster personal growth and unity.

Grant's journey illustrates the transformative power of intentional living environments on personal development and community cohesion. His story highlights the social and financial benefits of co-living, challenging misconceptions and showcasing how shared spaces promote emotional intelligence and well-being.

This episode of Rise from the Ashes closes with a heartfelt segment on inspiring change and living with purpose. Grant’s journey from hardship to meaningful living underscores that success is about more than material wealth. Listeners are urged to connect with Grant and spread his powerful message of resilience and community support.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Transformation Through Adversity
• 8:21 Healthy Household and Rituals for Success
• 15:42 Building Community Through Shared Living
• 32:35 The Co-Living Opportunity
• 43:39 Inspiring Change and Purpose

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Rise from the Ashes. This is a podcast where you, the people, actually get a voice. This is about you and your story, how your evolution is now changing the world, impacting others and building a legacy not just for yourself, but for your future generations. My next guest is doing that in so many ways and showing up for so many other people. His name is Grant Shipman, and I want him to introduce himself today as the person he is, because everybody knows I'm dyslexic. I don't read very well and I always get it wrong. So, grant, how are you? And welcome to Rise from the Ashes. Please introduce yourself and tell everybody what you do.

Speaker 2: 0:51

Thank you so much, buzz. So yeah, my name is Grant Shipman and some people call me the co-living guy, and maybe we'll get into that later. I definitely wasn't that before I rose from the ashes. Get into that later. I definitely wasn't that before I rose from the ashes, but something that is so important to who we are and our identity like home is where the heart is, and that's something that it transformed me. I had the luckiness of hitting rock bottom, going through 12 steps.

Speaker 2: 1:21

Not everybody gets fortunate enough to hit rock bottom, but for those of us who do and then for those of us who, like you, boz, like you, help people and encourage people is is you don't just have that forced to transformation at rock bottom, right Is as you continue on, you can choose to continue to transform. And so that, looking back in my life and now my wife and I just found out on two days ago that we're having a third baby, and before I rose from the ashes to use your really good term I was just a single lonely guy delivering Domino's pizza, renting not just a room, I rented a corner of a room that I shared with three other guys. It was tough, but as I look back on it. I have no clue how I'd be here without those experiences. I got reincarnated. I would want to be me again. Let's do it, and what I get to do and see now it's cool. So thank you so much for this podcast and doing what you do for people.

Speaker 1: 2:26

It's a privilege to be here with you and you've got a hell of a story. I've heard it, but I want to go into the first part of it now. What was the defining moment for you when you decided that's enough, I'm done being this level? What was that decision and can you paint a picture for the audience of how you started to progress through the steps of okay, I'm done doing Domino's pizza four by four room. This is done. What was that decision for you and how did you start coming away from it?

Speaker 2: 3:02

No, like when I tell this story, people who know me, like my family, my friends, they're like, grant, you're doing fine right, like, because it's you know, some people's inward destruction has a lot of outward expression, right when mine, I think, more so because of my upbringing temperament, but like, I remember driving, if you ask for that moment I can look at I was driving and I felt out of breath. And it wasn't because I was out of shape, I did and taught partner acrobatics, but I felt out of breath. But I realized I was like kind of in this state of of a low level panic attack all the time. I was dating, uh, a girl who was a like closet heroin addict, I um, and, and then I found out like she was cheating on me with her drug dealer and and this is this is no commentary on drugs or not my wife. She was cured of her epilepsy by weed, but to say at this point, I'd never had any drugs at ever and I think I got drunk maybe three times in my whole life.

Speaker 2: 4:15

I was just a pretty straight edge guy, just because that's how I was, but I was like my life is fucked. This is not like a momentary upset, this is something that needs to change, because this isn't who I am, but it's who I've become, and that's very, very odd. That was the place where I had a number of false starts, but that was the place where I started the false starts to get towards the rise from the ashes of the place where I started the false starts to get towards the, you know, rise from the ashes.

Speaker 1: 4:50

You mentioned that your wife was a closet drug addict, heroin addict, or you, sorry girlfriend at the time. What was the journey of finding that out? I mean, this isn't. This is speaking from an ex-addict who have been through and lived that journey. So for the listeners now who are going oh, he's a drug addict. There is always an underlying reason why people do what they do and it's important to show compassion for people going through that journey because they are suppressing something that they cannot emotionally, mentally or spiritually deal with, sometimes physically and in the case of some illnesses. Hence cannabis, and it's a miracle. It's a miracle product for so many other things. What was your realization at that point of learning that your girlfriend was doing all this stuff?

Speaker 2: 5:39

well, it was internally yeah, I mean I can laugh about it now. At the time it was. Sometimes, you know they're smooth realizations, whatever the opposite of that is. And and her, her drug dealer, who I had no contact with, texted me and said hey, your girlfriend blah, blah, blah, you need to check her phone. And. And so I talked with her and I said, listen, like this is not a concern of mine, but I think the easiest way to deal with this is just for me to be like I checked your phone and please never contact me again. So so she's like okay, and she gave me her, her, her phone and I went to lead this community event.

Speaker 2: 6:30

Anyway, I will always remember that community event, cause I wasn't a part of it. I was in the side room looking down through the text messages, the text message thread, and it was like wow, like you know, heroin, all kinds of other, I don't even know the slang, right, I just knew it was bad news and you know that there was like cheating going on in that, which I mean just so many things that were so far, like I said, my, my destruction was more internally Right, but so far out of bounds for me, but it wasn't so much anger at her so far out of bounds for me. But it wasn't so much anger at her, it was looking at me and that's what I was like attracting, choosing, like she has her own journey. But, um, part of my addictive system is I'm going to rescue people, right? So, even though I didn't know, these things were going on with her energetically, right, I was, I was, I was finding people who were being under responsible so I could be over responsible and then I could ignore my own pain.

Speaker 2: 7:33

So, yeah, there was, there was that. But, interesting enough, those character issues were just out of balance character strengths that that helped me, my, the things I most cherish, which is, you know, years later, I, I met, um, I met who's my current wife and you know, we, we, I mean, it's it's like with them, we got, you know, uh, our million dollar mansion in the mountains and we, we got pregnant and then we got pregnant again and now we just found out we're pregnant and our boys are super happy and we have like all of those things wouldn't have been possible without those character strengths that just back then were way out of balance, right? So that that rock bottom was such a benefit, I don't know what I would have done without it.

Speaker 1: 8:18

Well, I know, I know.

Speaker 2: 8:19

I would have just kept doing the same thing, yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:21

And I think you mentioned something key there grant where, where you said it's the experience coming from that, but applying the skill sets, applying the knowledge to recognize within yourself. I don't want to be there anymore. This is not truly who I am and then going pivot what's next? Right now, I've had an experience, first with my with a previous relationship, where I had to learn that my girlfriend long-term girlfriend I was with her for three and a half four years uh, she lied to me, she was cheating on multiple times. I didn't know back then and found out later on, but I had to find out four o'clock in the morning when I went through her phone and even though I knew and I confronted her about it or carefronted her about it, she still lied to me and that was confirmation for me at the time that this is not going to work.

Speaker 1: 9:18

I'm doing the right thing and I removed myself so that that experience, like you, was a changing directional point in my life and a bit like yours. What unconventional wisdom did you learn through that experience? Because there's always something else, there's always a deeper layer to that. Okay, it's not just about the relationship you mentioned. It was something internally, but there's always another level.

Speaker 2: 9:47

I think that a way to understand addiction and something for people who are more adjacent to that community or new to it. My usage of it is simply we all have addictive systems. We do things to cope and those things at a certain point they stop being like helpful coping mechanisms and they get degrees and degrees and degrees worse Lots of times. Society. Somebody has to be really, really bad in only certain ways to be called an addict, Right. But those of us who have been through that internal and external experience like, um, this idea of addiction is not problematic at all. Um, it's, it's actually just a part of being human. And so, um, what I found out when I was really looking at this, like, oh, wow, like I got taken or I took myself to this extreme, but what was it? What was the extreme? Other side, Like, what was the? The balancing point? You know, sometimes you have to go away from something to see how good it is.

Speaker 2: 11:03

And the balancing point I would say is the one of the definitions of addiction to me, is the absence of of healthy connection and support. And the most central part of that, as far as after our relationship with ourselves, is our relationship to home, and I'm not saying our family of origin, but like our home. Like home is where the heart is. Like you can say your staff family, you can say your extended family, you can say your yoga family, but none of those are your actual like people. You come home to that home family, those people you share a roof with. And so what I looked at is is I came upon this old term, it's called household. Like, if I have a healthy household, good things come, wonderful. I'm not going to, I'm not going to fuck those things up, right, I'm going to know how to enter into those things, how to enjoy those things. Bad things come and they always come. I, my household, can keep me balanced.

Speaker 2: 12:13

Um, uh, when, when COVID came and the pandemic and all that stuff, suddenly people realized that the, um, the, If they lived with others in a healthy household, they were great. Lockdown was not a problem, or at least not near as challenging. But if there's a lot of people that were out there like I was, I was household less right. It becomes very, very difficult. And so to say that that other level that I learned and then I've continued to run with is to say whether people have addiction issues or not.

Speaker 2: 12:54

If people are household-less, that's going to present a unique challenge compared to those of us who have households that are supportive, have households that are supportive whether they're our best friends or not doesn't matter Just a healthy household to be a part of and to leave from each day and rock out with life. That is so key and really that's what for especially those of us who don't have related households to be in, that's all that co-living is. It's just a non-traditional, healthy household that actually a lot of people probably are doing. You're listeners and they don't even have a term for it. They just know they love it.

Speaker 1: 13:32

So when you transitioning from that other life, the lifestyle, into this new entrepreneurial vision, heart-centered focus. What were the rituals you picked up? Because everybody has a secret success formula sets them up in the daytime or in the evening, they have evening rituals, they have morning rituals, some even have daily rituals throughout the day. What the things that make you tick that the listeners may come across and go ah, I might try that. What were the top tips for you? Because to have a household, to have a home, there's got to be a foundation. So what's your foundation?

Speaker 2: 14:17

Yeah, I want to, because so many people have.

Speaker 2: 14:21

I mean, there's so one of the great things about being alive today and, you know, and being aware of podcasts that are so great like yours, is these, these habits, right, these these practices, and it's it's kind of I've, I've said um, the path to non-ending, you know, growth, um, and empowerment is is constantly shifting, right, like, like you know, at one point I'm into acrobatic yoga and another point I'm doing interval running, because I don't like running but I'm great with running a little bit like 30 seconds and then walking for a few minutes, and I mean it just is always shifting, but it's the same path, something that, for me, I learned on accident, I'll I'll say as more of a um, I'll I'll like flip it and say it's social habits. So what happened when, um, when I um was hitting rock bottom, was I? Um, I had to, I had to find a place to live, and so, um, I was in Austin. Um, I'm going to, I'm going to use the term hippie, I'm going to use it in a very, very like positive way, right, for those of you who who have that like these, these, these hippies that had gotten over themselves, and they are amazing.

Speaker 2: 15:42

But I moved in with this house of hippies. There was eight people they started this back in about 78. And actually so many of them in this house that founded it back then went on to help start Whole Foods. This was a co-op, a housing co-op in Austin, and so I moved in with them because, like, hey, I didn't have to sign a lease, I didn't have to sign a lease with strangers, I didn't know what was going on next. I didn't want to live alone either and I potentially couldn't have afforded to live alone. I'm trying to remember with Austin. But so when I say the social habits, like these practices that were this foundation, like these practices that were this this foundation is, I realized, um, these people have these gems, um, and it's in the intentional living community. So it doesn't matter if it's called co-housing, co-op, shared housing, intentional living, um, this, uh, these people have these gems, um, and they're amazing. They transform life way more than a cold shower or a infrared sauna or tapping or whatever cool thing that you're doing right now and keep doing that thing. But to say they had these gems and I'll get to them in a moment, but they're covered up, most people in society are not going to see them because the intentional living community, they have packages around these gems, so you never see them. They have packages like, for instance, the house I joined was a vegetarian kitchen I'm not a vegetarian, right, they had a large organic garden that everybody needed to put so many hours in. And some of these have clothing, optional Tuesdays, some of these have. They have these things that bond them together, which are great, but they're actually, they're actually not required for the mainstream.

Speaker 2: 17:50

These, these habits, um, were the um, or how to live with others, other adults, whether related or not, how to live with others in a really powerful way. So, for instance, um, conflict resolution, um, that's a practice, uh and um, and keeping things clean because, like, say, if you live with a partner, one of you is more dirty than the other. That's just how it has to be right. But when you live with seven other people, there's some people are more dirty in different ways and less dirty in other ways, and so you're always the dirty person in some way or another. And so these habits of living with others in an understandable way that empowers a person to take risk, to be healthy, to enter into relationships, to heal, to take that next step of personal growth, to do whatever it is next on the path of life, because they have these social habits with the people they live with. So they know it's.

Speaker 2: 18:50

It kind of makes you bulletproof, I guess, to say so these, these, um, these, uh, the habits I would, I guess, to, to answer your question is that I accidentally found um. That made a lot bigger difference to me than um, than all of the different um, uh, you know, like I, I, uh, I do meditation stuff and I do these other things, but simply the habits of being in, in, in relationship with others that I live with in a healthy way, that have different personalities than me. None of them are entrepreneurs. Some of them have massive disagreements than me. I was a Christian. They hated Christians, right, so I had to describe myself as a Jesus guy. I don't even know what that means, Like, but, but, like this kind of stuff. It made me be able to relate to myself, um, in a, in a, very like, being in the present and able to, like, do what life was calling me to. So that was my, that's my best try at answering this habit question. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:52

That's a great answer, because the reason I asked you that? Because your life experience and your experience going through the co-living the understanding of other people, but it's also emotional intelligence the co-living, the understanding of other people, but it's also emotional intelligence it's how to communicate effectively with others who have different belief systems, who may not agree with everything that others say. But, like you said earlier, it's about conflict resolution. The main issue in all society now is disagreements about belief systems and it's magnified by other people's agendas the press, the medias, etc. Etc. To cause division.

Speaker 1: 20:39

One of the reasons this podcast exists is to unite other people with a commonality. That commonality is we all come from somewhere, we all have a journey, we all went through something, whether it be bad, good, whatever, however you view it. But we're here now for a mission, for a reason, for a purpose. Along that structure, you elevate others, you gain knowledge, you have experiences and these experiences matter. Elevating others is so, so important and you've created community out of hardship. You've created a business, a very successful business, and that's expanding dramatically in the next 12 months and come from one level to another in the last 12 months. What causes you or what drives you sorry, to not only elevate others, but leave the world in a better place than you actually found it.

Speaker 2: 21:43

Yeah, I really like it. I really like how you asked that no-transcript. You can kind of get into religious, philosophical, um, or even just like nowadays we would say, like a personal growth or or maybe it's uh, some kind of, uh, uh, a fitness activity, um, that that really bonds people together. But there's, there's a lot of people who will end up living together and that has always intrigued me. These communities and it's not just the people who live together, the people who play together, the people who do business together how do these communities work? What makes them healthy, what makes them not healthy, not healthy? And and then looking at you know the, the, that like that traditional idea of household right, like husband, wife, you know two kids and a dog, that this idea of household that people think this is not, this doesn't apply anymore. It actually, in a big way, has never applied right Like it was. It was pushed in the seventies as a normal right and and people like it for different reasons and it's a great vision, um, but if you're listening here and you don't fit that vision, that's fine. You actually um the the idea of being able to, being able to, to, to really work with others and to, even at the point of living together, that idea of household, it applies to every single person.

Speaker 2: 23:40

I have people who are actually the this, this gentleman who's been, who moved into the first house that I set up and he's still there. He is the most introverted person. He runs the computer tech division at his company and he lives with seven other people but he's not social at all. People just see him kind of come home from work, leave from work, he'll chat for a little little bit, a little bit Right, and they're like oh, we got to, we got to chat with Tommy. That was neat. But I asked him. I said you know Tommy, I changed his name PS, um, but Tommy, uh, you know what, like you would seem like a guy just kind of go live off in the woods by yourself. And he said, grant, he goes, he goes, um, haven't you seen it? He goes. You're an extrovert, so you might not have. But like over half of the people in all of these they they were called community living houses Cause the term co-living is so new. Um, it wasn't back then, because over half of these people in the community living houses they're introverts, because we introverts know that that, um, that social lives are so very important but we don't have as much energy to put towards them. So most of so, that's why over half are going to live in houses like this. He goes because I can come home and just chat for somebody with a little bit, and if I feel like, oh, that's enough, I just go into my room. I'm great. So to say, what I get pumped about is seeing all these different people, even extreme introverts. You would think that guy is going to live on a shed on the top of a mountain surrounded by sheep for thousands of miles and he's going to be happy and all of us have fantasized about that. But to say that person or I'll throw one other one with a contemporary thing is I was talking to these two women and this is back when I actually ran the property management company and now it runs itself.

Speaker 2: 25:44

It's called householdxcom right For these new types of households. But these two women, they're like Grant. We have something funny to tell you. All they thought was I was the property manager. They didn't know I owned half the house and we stopped by. The property management stops by once a month to drop by candy, to fill up supplies. Just we call it a household support, so they love us stopping by.

Speaker 2: 26:08

And they're like Grant, this is really funny because you know us, and this gal was talking for two of them in the kitchen. They're like we hate guns. We want all guns to be legal all the time. We're very proud of this. They're outspoken on it, right, she goes. You, you know that, right. And I'm like, of course I know that, Um, but they go, they go.

Speaker 2: 26:30

You know, um, these two other guys that we live with, um and I was like, yeah, and he's, they're like um, so, so you're aware that, like, they have concealed carry permits and they're actually licensed to permit other people and one's full-time job is, uh, working at a gun rights organization in town. Are you aware of this? And I'm like, yeah, you know I'm not going to volunteer it because of privacy, but yeah, I'm aware of that. She goes. We were talking about this. We don't know how to square it with our politics, but we feel so much safer living in a house with them, so much safer living in a house with them, and I cannot demonize the other side as much because I know them. They're responsible, they clean up things, they'll give me a ride, like, and I would say so. They went on and on right, and I knew these two guys thought could say similar things about the women in their household, right, like and um, and so you had touched on it before and I wanted to give it, uh, a real specific example in these houses.

Speaker 2: 27:35

But, like, houses are how individuals heal. It's how societies heal, um, it is. It is where we get to like, live in understanding ways with people that are different from us, and that just strengthens us. We don't need to become like them, we don't need to change our mind, but when we realize that we can have a healthy relationship and be benefited by people who are different from us, like woo, it's so cool, because normally that doesn't happen.

Speaker 2: 28:08

Right, we join organizations with people who are like us. We go to religious things with people that are like us. We go to conferences people that are like us, but your household, that's where it's at. So I get pumped about people, because I saw it with myself people healing that don't even know they need to heal, right, they're growing because of this connection that they have and they don't even know how to explain, they just know it's there, right, like these women who felt so strongly about guns, right. And now that they love that, there's two people in their house that not only think differently from them, but actually have guns. How do you even deal with that? I don't know, but that's what household is. It's magic, it's powerful. It's what we're all either a part of or not a part of in different ways.

Speaker 1: 28:55

I love that. It's also about you mentioned it there expanding your own awareness. We live very narrow lives in a framework that we are indoctrinated into as children, from very, very young, into our adolescence and even at school, and that continues until we're about 35. Step out of that comfortable zone and you said it earlier and embrace the uncomfortable and allow that to be a lifestyle. Allow that to take hold and explore yourself. Make yourself uncomfortable. The end result is something somebody who is so empowered with who they are as a person. They're open to listen to other options, ideas, opinions, but they're so centered in their own.

Speaker 1: 29:53

This is who I am yeah, that's the result of that is someone like you sitting on the podcast today, who have gone through experiences not all of them fantastic, but you've made them fantastic and you've made them count because you've learned from the experience, and that's missing out of society. When you're on your own and when you enter communities with a mission, with service, with an open mind, you start to change not just your life but the whole concepts of how we approach situations, and this is why I like what you've done so much here, grant, is because nothing's been just for you. It has as a business and your family. It's a knock-on effect, obviously, but the bigger picture is this is for everybody else to experience what you experienced growing up having the experience with a broken relationship or relationship breakdown. Now I know you've got a couple of things coming up in August. Can you just speak into them and what they are?

Speaker 2: 31:08

Yeah, and to give it some preface, so so living Smith, going off the idea of a blacksmith, right, like skilled in living. There's an idea there we teach the gold standard of co-living, property management and investing, and so something where I see a divide out there. A lot is in this show. So far we've talked a lot of community relationships, personal IQ, and then the people who are business, understand legal technicalities, investment, all of this stuff. Now, none of us are built that way, right, All of us have these different aspects of who we are and and like the boss, you being an example right, of leading this podcast. But then people, people are like Whoa, like they learn more and more about you. They're like moly, moly, right, you do not have to choose between financial literacy and like personal growth, interpersonal relationship, literacy Right, you can have it all. And so something I wanted to share is is what was?

Speaker 2: 32:35

Let me ask a question what would you say most? How would most people answer this question? What is the most common household size out there? That means the people who live together, right? So if four people have signed a lease, that's a four-person household what would you say is the most common? Not you, but what would you think somebody would answer that question, the most popular in America?

Speaker 1: 33:05

In today's climate, I would say between seven and 11 people.

Speaker 2: 33:12

Yeah, yeah, and I have heard all over the place and what I'm about to tell you. I have never heard any real estate person ever say and I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars learning from real estate people and I'm glad I spent that money but to say, is they're going off data from the estate people, and I'm glad I spent that money, but to say, is they're going off data from the census Bureau, they're going off other data. That's not defining household by those people who actually live together or don't Right? And the number one most popular household in America is the one person household. This happened in 2003. This has never happened in America before. So that means starting in 2003, and it's only gotten worse is more people were living alone than ever before. So people can trade notes about what's causing the housing crisis, and clearly there's a number of things, but when you have a two, three bedroom apartment or a five bedroom house, that would normally be so many people in that. Right now the most common household size is one person. That's a whole lot of the housing inventory getting eaten up. So that started in 2003. And this kind of extreme thing of society going one direction, of living alone and it's still happening. Without a doubt, that is still the most popular one. It's only grown.

Speaker 2: 34:48

But to say is in that there's massive opportunity. There is the housing crisis that's come about. There's skyrocketing rents, there's there's housing prices. All of these things have made this new solution that's popped up called co-living. It didn't have a term for a long time, until about two years ago, but it's. It's made an opportunity right, like Airbnb. If you think that's the opportunity, it's not right Like it was, but the opportunity now is co-living, without a doubt. So, and to say we could talk, I mean I have a whole thing called I call it the co-living state of the union on what happened that makes co-living massive. What happened where I can get a house that would normally rent out at $2,000 and it's renting out at $6,300. And the average tenancy is over two years and 97% occupancy, and the list goes on.

Speaker 2: 35:55

Why is this happening? It's because people have this deep, unknown social need called household and there's all these things forcing it. For instance, for me, I had a breakup happen. I found the hippie co-op right and thankfully I did, but these people are living, are moving in together. The opportunity is huge and and holy, like like to give an example when I I mentioned earlier, I was delivering Domino's pizza, renting the corner of a room, and no way I could qualify for a loan, right Um, even find the dumbest banker you could ever find, and they would make the smart decision to not give me a loan, right Um?

Speaker 2: 36:42

However, less than 24 months from that point, I had a $2 million net worth. I had financial freedom, and I wanted that because I had dreams of of finding the girl, marrying the shit out of her and having babies. So I went from that lonely, single guy and in two years, at 2 million worth financial freedom. Um, then, uh, that about three months later, I found the girl who I proposed to, and now is my wife. Um and uh, and we got pregnant on our honeymoon because, fuck yeah, right, like um, we, we wanted to do it and so, um, so to say, is is this, this opportunity, which I'm not going to get into any more, like in in our conversation here, because you can go on and and and look at it and all of these things, like you mentioned that my company has has coming up, but, um, the thing I wanted to say is if you, if, if you're listening to this and your path is now. You're looking at what is for you, right? Um, that this, this, uh, this opportunity called co-living, providing this kind of housing, is not only massively rewarding for all the things that I mentioned, but also for the environment, right, I mean, the list goes on. It's incredible. Legislation is for this. The state I'm calling in actually, um, boz, your state too. Uh, july 1st, all laws banning this kind of living? Um, just got banned, right, so, across the state July 1st, um, so just to say, uh, there's all of that stuff.

Speaker 2: 38:25

What I wanted to mention is, um is something to really take to heart is, whenever an opportunity comes up, there's voices out there that talk about the opportunity correctly, but then they then they go on to say how to take advantage of that opportunity in ways that are not a hundred percent correct. Um, well, and why is this? I don't know. I think maybe sometimes there's more money in teaching than in doing, especially if you can't do it correctly. Um, um, but to say is uh, um, the uh um in co-living, there is uh, uh, there is a trend out there to say co-living is just rebranding of rooming houses, boarding houses, these kind of things, and rooming houses and boarding houses are an absolutely necessary housing option in each city, without a doubt. They are also absolutely a place that you don't want to live any longer than you need to a place that you don't want to live any longer than you need to and if you want to take advantage of the co-living opportunity, that co-living is not rebranding of rooming houses. So if you're listening and it's like, okay, well, how do you tell the difference between this? Because it's good to pay for and get whatever training you can in a new opportunity.

Speaker 2: 39:57

I need people, the society needs people to buy these houses, to invest, to offer this kind of living. It is needed, needed, needed. There are no competitors in this space, right, because the ocean is blue. Society needs us hugely, right? So just to say, this is big. If you're interested, if you feel this call, go for it.

Speaker 2: 40:20

What I would say is, if you have somebody who's teaching you and says to either don't put a TV in the living room, right, because that causes more tenant interaction, which causes tenant conflict and we don't know how to handle that. They don't know how to do co-living. They're rebranding rooming houses. Or there's one company out there that's extremely popular. They've got about $30 million in funding and they tell people don't even have a living room, no living rooms, turn them all into bedrooms because people will interact more and then they will get in conflict and we don't know how to have conflict. And here's the thing is co-living, the type of healing community that people are longing for, that the financial opportunity is there and that has helped me and that we provide. It's systemized, it's scalable.

Speaker 2: 41:17

The opportunity that you hear that you might think is too good to be true. It's a hundred percent true, but it requires conflict. People need to get in conflict so they can resolve it and grow that relationship right, like any marriage that hasn't had conflict for two years hasn't had a relationship for two years, right, so, um, so I, I, um, I hope that that my passion with this topic, um, that comes from my experience doesn't kind of to to like, um, make the message hazy. And and Boz, maybe you can ask with any any, maybe you can ask to help clarify for listeners. But the co-living opportunity out there is massive. If you haven't heard of it, it's because it's the opportunity and once you've heard of an opportunity, it's probably too late and it's a new thing and it's amazing.

Speaker 2: 42:15

My company does have a free training coming up on August 12th. We also do free coaching calls, a 30-minute coaching call to help you out. We have a value-add podcast, seven to 10 minutes, of just our teaching team. I'm one of five people that just helps you understand how to do this or solve different problems. A lot of you are probably already doing this. You don't even know it, but to say is it's a powerful movement. Home is where the heart is and and I'm so, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm beyond, like, elated I get, can't believe I get to do this every day. And then for Baz and I to cross paths and get to have this conversation Woo.

Speaker 1: 42:57

I actually want to do a part two because there's so much more to this and I know you've got thousands of things going on with what you're going into at the moment, but I certainly want to set up a part two for the listeners because I think it's so beneficial and it's a topic that needs to be put out in a different way and also be heard by the right people so they can get involved with it if they wish to. Grant, you've been amazing today. I want to thank you. If you're interested in the training, the links are all in the comments. They're all in the blogs. Please go and check out the websites available with Grant. Go and hit him up, go and have a conversation.

Speaker 1: 43:39

What he does changes people's lives and it brings people together, and that's coming from someone who has been disheveled, displaced from many, many areas of life, including my home, from many, many areas of life, including my home. I arrived in Colorado and I met Grant, who has inspired me in so many ways. So I truly recommend go and check him out, go and have a conversation and, if you are listening to this, please share this message. It's not just about go to there. Go to there, actually share the message, take the notes and understand Grant's journey from rags to purpose. It's not just riches, it's actually living on purpose. Grant, I want to thank you today for your time, your energy and your knowledge. You're a fantastic human being and you're becoming a fantastic friend. I really appreciate your time and the opportunity to speak to you here.

Speaker 2: 44:41

Yeah, the feeling is so much more than mutual, bas, so thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 44:46

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, share the message, be safe, be well and, as always, live with purpose and inspire with legacy. Talk to you soon.