Embracing Transformation: Monika and Hardi's Tale of Resilience and Redefinition

Embark on a transformative odyssey with us as Monika and Hardi from Estonia impart their profound experiences, blending resilience with self-discovery. Imagine waking up one morning to realize that the life you've built no longer serves you. Hardi faced this reality head-on after his entrepreneurial spirit led him to start nine ventures, only to be met with burnout. Meanwhile, Monika confronted a health crisis at 24, sparking a journey to reclaim her authentic self from societal expectations. Together, they crafted in Librium not just a company but a beacon for those navigating their own metamorphoses.

During our heart-to-heart, we unveil the intricate layers of starting a business as a couple—testing the very fabric of a relationship. We confront the ghosts of trauma, revealing their role not as obstacles but as integral to personal growth and self-awareness. Hardi and Monika's tales echo the wisdom that our true potential lies beyond material success, nestled in the quiet pursuit of purpose. They advocate for being our role models, challenging the notion of success as we know it, and highlighting the strength of vulnerability and the courage to redefine our narratives.

The episode's crescendo explores the symbiotic relationship between mental fortitude and physical well-being, underscoring the importance of a positive attitude and a supportive network. The duo's shared experiences underscore the innate need for connection, inspiring listeners to embrace collective change. They extend a heartfelt invitation to join their ongoing conversation and remind us that our stories can inspire and catalyze change in others. So, if you're seeking guidance, laughter, and a pinch of inspiration, you're in the right place. Let's step forward together into a world where transformation is not just possible but celebrated.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Rise from the Ashes podcast. I'm your host, baz Porter, and for those people just tuning in and don't know what this is all about, this is about resilience, leadership and people's journeys from bottom up, and that failure of learning was we go through entrepreneurial life and we incorporate our own lives trying to serve others. I've got a couple of guests today. They're partners, they're wonderful people and I invited them on because they have a hell of a story and they really heart centered people. They're from Estonia. I would like to introduce my two next guests, monica and Haria. Please introduce yourselves and say hello to the world, because essentially that's what you're talking to.

Speaker 2: 0:49

Hello world, hello Baz.

Speaker 3: 0:50

Yes, hello world, hello Baz, great to be here.

Speaker 2: 0:53

Asking us to be here.

Speaker 1: 0:54

It's a privilege to have you here. Please tell everybody who you are, what you do and, if you like, who you met, how you met.

Speaker 2: 1:01

Yeah, hi everyone. My name is Hardy. We both are originally from Estonia and now working in Estonia and also in Portugal. I have been an entrepreneur all my grown up life, established my first company when I was 19 years old. All together very interesting pattern. What continues and continues all the time again is that I have established nine companies and my like this, let's say, the negative pattern in establishing or grading new companies was that I was building a company or starting to build a company. Beginning a company, like establishing a company, it was very easy for me. Like you put together a group of nice people, you start to do something and but in after two years I found myself in this situation where I didn't know what to do anymore or I needed to take some like a hard decisions in this business that I was going, but solution for me was not to take those decisions, solution was to run away. So I stopped one company and established a new company, and this pattern continued nine times in a row.

Speaker 1: 2:13

You didn't learn the first time. Sorry, you didn't learn the first time.

Speaker 2: 2:16

No, I didn't.

Speaker 2: 2:17

You didn't learn eight times I didn't learn for eight times, yeah, and it was crazy what was going on. It all ended up for me with the personal burnout in 2016. Like outside bars, everything in my life was beautiful At least, this is what people saw in my life but inside, to be honest, then I was totally lost. I was screaming inside of myself. I was looking for help because everything in my life was collapsing. My physical body was collapsing, my mental situation was collapsing, my relationships were collapsing. Everything Outside beautiful inside situation. So it was not nice and I started to look for help for this.

Speaker 2: 3:05

Where I was, and one thing led to another. I worked with many people. Also, monica came on that time to my life and started to work with me on a physical level and helped me to rebalance my physical well-being. And I came out from that burnout and then I was in position that I needed to decide again okay, what is the next venture that I will do? And talking to Monica and thinking what I'm good at. Then Monica said that, okay, hardy, as long as she understands that I can do, only things what I truly believe in. And she asked for me Hardy, what are you believing at the moment? And I said to her. I believe in my transformation I went through. I saw, like how it is done. It worked on me and I believe that it will work on others as well, and together two of us established a company now called in Librium, and we started to share our experience. So this is my story.

Speaker 1: 4:09

Monica, how about yourself?

Speaker 3: 4:11

Yes, actually I have never heard Hardy's story this short. Yeah, my, to begin with, I'm a health specialist. I have practiced and learned health related topics for the past 14 years degrees in psychology, health promotion, all that side neurogenetics, neurogenomics, so also the DNA and what I do is basically I just help people reestablish their true potential through taking their health on the next level. And my backstory was and actually today I thought about it and I usually start from the place where my sort of life collapsed, meaning when I was 24, I got a precancerous diagnosis me being a health transformation specialist and learning all that field and that just collapsed my world. And that's when I started my sort of deeper journey, journey within and understanding where I had lost myself because my body was obviously sending me signals.

Speaker 3: 5:17

But I thought way back and when was the last time that I felt connected with myself? And I remembered this early teenage part of me who was completely two feet on the ground, had this rebellious, changing the world attitude and mindset. I did not care about what anybody thought, which is weird for a teenager, because usually your self sense of self becomes very delicate and based on others' opinions, and I didn't have that and it really felt good to be me and I was within myself. But as years passed, I lost touch with that part of me. And still social norms and also coming from a very secure and a good family, but where degrees and social status and basically our self worth was only based on who you were in a corporate world or how much you earn or what degrees do you have, and all these different factors started coming in. And Next thing I know I was just trying to please everybody, live up to people's expectations. I was a high achiever. I was working, I was studying full time, did three years within two years, finished cum laude all these things. So I really pushed myself and when I think back, it amazes me the level of how harsh I was with myself and the cruelty just beating myself. And, as Hardy said, from the outside I was a high performer, I was a high achiever, but from the inside I was just really empty and really lost and I don't think that I'm alone in that boat.

Speaker 3: 7:04

But yeah, then my body gave me a very concrete signal. So I did get a precancerous diagnosis and it was severe cervical dysplasia and then, as I said, my world fell apart. I understood that something was obviously wrong, and that's when I took the deep dive within and went on the self exploration path. Also, spiritual self exploration did encounter a fair amount of spiritual narcissism, but that's another topic. But I do have to say that this is a topic that needs to be openly talked about because there's a lot of it out there, and also I did pick up some very dysfunctional patterns from help of that kind, and this is also something we both have.

Speaker 3: 7:54

That experience, this is something that we take as number one priority to avoid with enliberum. This is our number one standard. Only professionals, anyhow. Long story short. One thing led to another and I did reconnect with myself and I remember exactly the time I was in our table and my heart was, my whole body was just uncontrollably shaking. I think if somebody saw it from the outside, they might have thought that I was having a seizure. Anyway, I was just an emotional one and I just felt like a champagne bottle, something, the pressure that got released and I was just crying. I couldn't control it, I couldn't stop it. Something was coming out and that was the first time I felt that. Okay, I got reconnected with something and for the next few months it was actually really horrible. I had constant headaches, I just felt bad. So that's when everything started coming out. And, yeah, one thing led to another and if we fast forward, the next step was that I met also Hardy. By the way, did not think very well of him in the beginning.

Speaker 3: 9:15

But now well, now things are a bit different. Yeah, I did those changes in my life. I cut out relationships that weren't serving me, substituted those with the ones that were. And, yeah, I also got the reconformation that it's okay to be different or it's okay to be weird. And I got the reconnection with the sense of weirdness that always was in me. I always dreamed of big things. I always thought that everything is possible. I had this rebellious changing the world instinct in me. Or I didn't really take no for an answer, or I didn't even care what other people thought. And, yeah, I felt like I got my life energy back. Or, yeah, I got back to me in the simplest terms.

Speaker 3: 10:02

Yeah, and at that time I already had established or had put together this health transformation program, because working with people again, one piece at a time, in a puzzle, understood that it's pointless to just talk about nutrition, it's pointless to just talk about exercise. People are beings. We're not just physical, we're also social, we're intellectual, we're mental. We also have our emotions, our emotional health, which very many people have just cut off, and I had done the same, so I know what it's like. And I had put together this holistic program with the duration of six months and combined everything into one logical system.

Speaker 3: 10:49

And at that time we started looking for whatever what's out there, because we had such transformative experiences with psychedelics that really changed our lives. And it didn't even matter that the settings weren't professional or, yeah, some things went south, I can tell you that. But at the end of it all we managed to get out of it in one piece and we started looking for companies doing something similar, but in a holistic way, not those mass group retreats where nobody really deals with you before or after, but proper holistic programs. And we didn't find any, for our surprise. So that's when we thought that, okay, this has for sure transformed our lives, brought us back to our core essence, reconnected with our life, mission, life, potential. Then why not offer it to other people? And yeah, so that's how in the room was born.

Speaker 2: 11:50

Yeah, but I think I should mention must that the main question that we discovered what people are asking from themselves when they're starting their own self development journey or when they see that, okay, something is not right in their life and they want to change something in their lives is that they have this kind of feeling or question all the time in their head that something is missing in their lives. They have everything, maybe outside, but something is still missing. And I had the same thing like building those companies all the time. Yeah, these were those small and medium enterprises, but anyway, if we take a little Estonia, then in Estonia was successful entrepreneur Financially. It was very good life for me on that time, but I still buzz felt that something is missing in my life. Now, decades later, I understand where this feeling came, or where this question came, and we understood with Monik after hours and hours of talking and putting the bigger picture together, like what we are doing now and what we are delivering to others or what kind of service we're providing to others, is that the only thing what people are missing is their full potential and their core being the true self of themselves. This is the only thing At least this is for truth. For me, I was looking for myself and I was looking for my full potential. This was the thing that I was missing, where it is hidden.

Speaker 2: 13:23

Now another question raises. It is hidden behind your different traumas, from a childhood to functional patterns, limiting beliefs for men especially shame, guilt, all these kinds of things. These are like the layers on you or masks on you, what you are carrying every day and you can't be your true self, you can't go to the direction of your true purpose Because those layers or those masks whatever how we are calling them they're keeping you back, they're blocking you. I came through it. Monica saw how I came through it. She had her own transformation doing similar things.

Speaker 2: 14:05

We met many wonderful people around the world who were working with me and who were like, sharing their knowledge with us. And as we thought that, okay, if those methods that were used on us were so effective, then why not to put together a concept of holistic transformation for leaders, visionaries, founders, executives? And why we chose this group of people? It's because these people, they have influence, like a positive influence for others, because we can't take into this program what we have developed hundreds or thousands people per year. We can take only very few number of people per year with whom we're working. But one thing what we want that these people will have also impact to other people. When they are doing their own transformation on personal level, then this will affect others as well.

Speaker 1: 15:02

This is how in Librium was born, so you've answered about three of my questions already within the whole of that, which is great, so it saves me some talking. I'm good with that. When we talk about resilience and your journeys, can you share, and how you share, part of your stories overcoming cancer?

Speaker 1: 15:17

one of them failed businesses through lack of self awareness in the core of it, amongst other variations of discovering who you are and what you want to do. You said yourself earlier you're missing something. How would you define resilience and the building of resilience within the both of you to do to stop the noise of you can't do it, you're unworthy, I'm not capable, I don't know how to do it? How would you define the resilience of the building of that to become the people you are in your life today and as a couple Because working as a couple I know, because I work with my wife as well it can be very challenging. So how did you discover that resilience to go? Okay, I understand and we're gonna do this.

Speaker 3: 16:09

I really have a very simple answer, I have to say. For me, everything came down to if you know who you are, if you really know who you are, then there's nothing in the world that can stop you, because you know what you're capable of, you have your full potential. And when you get this clarity, then there literally isn't anything that can stop you. And if you truly believe in something, then again nobody can. No words, no action, no, nothing can stop you. You just go it and do it and resilience, what it means, adaptation, coming strong, coming out of the process even stronger, and, of course, as individuals, as a couple.

Speaker 3: 17:00

I do joke around it and say if you wanna know whether you really are suitable for each other, start a business? Oh yeah, because then it's like a super highway of learning who somebody really is, and it's tough. So if you go through all that, then I really think that there's nothing that can separate you after that. Yeah, I would say it's really being in contact with yourself and with your feelings, all of you, with your good, with your bad. Also, talking about the trauma, it's not about taking away the trauma.

Speaker 2: 17:38

You can't take it away.

Speaker 3: 17:40

It's a part of you and you should cherish it. It's what made you, but it's really about incorporating that into your being, making peace with it, learning to love it and all that. And one thing I would also say is social health is also very important. The people that are in your life, that you surround yourself with, are also very important. So for us, this has also been a big thing, because when we started, we had some allies and, of course, life put us through this hurricane of different situations and just pure chaos, during which, also, we lost a lot of people, and today we don't really resonate with some people that we used to, and so on and so forth, and there were times where we felt incredibly alone.

Speaker 3: 18:32

And actually this is also something that we have heard from all those other leaders and visionaries, and we have even talked to billionaires Buzz and what they say is it's always the same they feel alone, nobody understands them, they're just a mystery and they're just looked upon like you're this weirdo and you're alone, but we're social creatures, we're not meant to be alone and nobody should be alone. Again, for us it has also been a finding the people with whom to build with. You're stronger together, and also what we're trying to do with in Librium is also build a vessel for those leaders and a platform for those leaders, for those visionaries, for those people who actually want to bring about positive change in the world it's not just about earning another million to buy another fancy car, but who actually want to get in true contact with them. They're true potential, they're true life mission and put those beautiful minds together and do something together in United. So a part of resilience, I would also say, is to really have that supportive platform or a network.

Speaker 2: 19:48

Something around you.

Speaker 1: 19:50

Around you. Yeah, people say they're resilient. There's many different forms of resilience. What you just described, then, are real stories from real people. I know very wealthy people who are, like you say, feel very alone. They don't feel as if they fit in anywhere, but the truth is they do, and they are looked upon as different or successful. But success is defined by the person, but in society, success isn't designed by the person. Success is designed by an image that's pre-built within us. We have to have the flash cars, we've got to have the mansions, we've got to have a high-rise apartment in Manhattan, new York, and we've got to have all of these things in order to be successful. But what you're doing and I'm hearing you say is you're rewriting that story for people and you're helping people come into touch with themselves To rediscover not discover, but rediscover who they are. Is that correct? Yes, Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 20:56

And one thing again what all these people have said is that you can have your another apartment in Manhattan or another house at the Bahamas. It doesn't make them happy. They have everything people could ever dream of from a material aspect, but it doesn't make them happy. It doesn't make them fulfilled. They're still, as Hardy said, looking for something, and that something is the existential edge. It's really what's my purpose. What am I really supposed to be doing and giving back?

Speaker 1: 21:28

Yeah, purpose is very important in life. I help people find their purpose with what I do in many different levels, not just their sole purpose, but contribution, legacy, etc. There's so many things. When we look at our lives, we usually have mentors. We usually have people we aspire or we model. I have mine. I've got my coaches and they help me, and that's a crazy time.

Speaker 1: 21:51

But, who's your rockstar? Who do you both look up to and go? I love them. That's my model and that's what I want to not become, but as a standard, that's what you were dear to.

Speaker 2: 22:03

I know that it might sound a bit like egoistic, but for me it is myself. Not so I understand that, but because when you have experienced who you truly are, we all know who we truly are. The question is are we willing to admit it or accept this who we really are? I know what I'm capable to do in my life. I can't say that I have the guts to do it like all the time, all in my life. I'm also afraid to do a lot of things, but for myself I'm also a role model. I know what I'm capable. I know that I need to develop myself all the time. This journey, I think it will never end. It's never ending journey, this self development and growing and finding your full potential. But the knowing behind that who you really are, I think it's the most powerful thing to have. And, of course, another role model for me is Monica.

Speaker 2: 23:04

I knew you would say that, because being together with her and we are the couple who we have been talking a lot about like of course we have our own ups and downs, but in our relationship, if she's having a hard days, then I'm like this in this series situation in my life and I'm bringing the room and a job again, and she's doing the same when I'm having the bad day. So we are like helping each other.

Speaker 3: 23:35

And funny enough, actually, when you ask this my first what came to mind again was that I started looking for people. There are many people I respect in different fields, but during my journey, one place that I got to was that I also really started to value myself and not try to be somebody else. Or if you're reconnected with yourself, you understand that, as the saying goes, don't be anybody else or be yourself, because everybody else is taken. But I was going wild and you really. If you really understand what that means, then you also really don't want to be like anybody else. So I would say that my goal is to try to be, or try to live as close to my real potential as there is and that really needs me being me, not like anybody else.

Speaker 3: 24:36

And another thing that I is an aspiration or that I admire or want to live up to is, or what inspires me, is, the mission of enliberium, or bringing this to life, and this inspires me because I do believe in it.

Speaker 1: 24:52

What you just said about both of you you believe in yourselves. Now, for a lot of people, that's a very challenging place to come to, because we, as human beings, listen to the BS or what he tells us. And for both of you, after coming, what you've individually come through and saying this is who I am, I love me is a very powerful statement. So I want to thank you both for standing up not just for each other, but for yourselves as well. That takes a lot of courage, which brings me to my next question what is the difference between for you to courage and resilience? Is there a difference? And, if so, what is the difference?

Speaker 3: 25:35

You need courage to build resilience. It means you need courage to go and do the hard things and do what people say that is a stupid dream or is undoable or hasn't been done before, hence is impossible. You really need courage and, as you said, number one, what you need courage to is to be yourself, and that really does take a lot of, I think, courage, and it's a day-to-day process and for us also, it's not like we are there or we are now somehow. No perfect. No, we're on our journey every day and we also face a lot of adversity. And there are days where, as Hardy also said, when he wants to give up, and then I'm there cheering him on. And there are days when I feel that this is tough, and if I knew how tough it was going to be, I'm not sure that I would have started, although I still would have.

Speaker 1: 26:37

I think you would have done. I think you just started. I think you have done it yourself.

Speaker 3: 26:43

Yeah, I'd say that courage is the part that you need to go through the hard things, to go through the hard process, the lessons. And number one face yourself, Face your demons, face your shadows, face your traumas, limiting beliefs, all the guilt, shame, all the layers that you have.

Speaker 2: 27:02

Get aware of shit, get used to it.

Speaker 3: 27:05

Yeah, and resilience is the outcome, and you do. Every situation only makes you smarter, only makes you stronger, tougher, wiser.

Speaker 1: 27:14

So no more subjects, don't go into it. Is there five tips you can share with the audience that you've discovered to actually build the resilience? What the five go to is for you. You can do both or you can do each other. What have you learned in your journey about resilience?

Speaker 2: 27:34

I think for me, the most important one is to be honest honest in everything what you are doing, honest when you talk, honest how you act, honest what you think, being honest when you are being afraid of something like admitting it to others. None of us are perfect in our lives, but I think it's the part of being a human constant growing and self development all the time, but not to lose the track on your direction. I think the key is to be honest firstly, being honest with yourself and then with others, because if we are looking around, what is going on in this world, all this bullshit, what people are doing and what they're talking and how they're acting and how they're what they're doing in our environment, what affects all of us, then it's time to stop this bullshit and to stop it that people need to start being honest.

Speaker 2: 28:37

We met one wonderful guy in Portugal who has two PhD degrees and also his MD. He went to university to become a doctor when he was 14 years old. He's a genius and one moment he thought to start practice being honest, he gave a promise to his guru. It was a decade ago or something like this. Already he gave a promise that he will be honest all the time. He won't lie to anyone anymore, and what he came out of this promise was that his guru started to work with him, but in one moment he realized that he don't. He had to be honest with his guru, but he also have to be honest with everyone around him. And then he thought that only way to be honest, to practice honesty, is to shut up, and he was not talking almost four years. He stopped speaking and he was practicing honesty. So it was his journey. I'm trying to do it while I'm speaking, being honest. It's not easy. It's really hard to be honest. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 29:47

Because it starts with being honest with yourself.

Speaker 2: 29:50

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:52

But that's just it, isn't it? It's being, it's having the courage to be honest with yourself first, and then speaking that feeling to what you are experiencing within you, would you agree?

Speaker 2: 30:07

Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 30:09

For second point, let's maybe do in turns then, since this also physical health, physical well-being, is very much of my field. And, by the way, baz, resilience also comes down to your neurochemistry, and this is something that you can measure. Taking care of your body, your physical capacity, performance also dictates your mental well-being. So if you do not take care of your body, if you don't respect your body, then you cannot work on an optimal level and you can't really also be resilient. So for me, this would be number two.

Speaker 1: 30:47

I'm sure you're aware of this the Numbic system. They did a study where the larger the Numbic system was, the more resilient or more willpower you had. The smaller it was, the less willpower you had. They measured it in athletes, they measured it in a variety of structures and social structures and that's what they discovered. I don't know whether you're aware of that study.

Speaker 2: 31:13

I'll share it with you.

Speaker 3: 31:14

It was done at Stanford.

Speaker 2: 31:17

And that's a third thing. Maybe it's attitude. In my case, attitude was don't think, start doing it why we're thinking so much like people are overthinking all the time, and this kind of overthinking creates only fear of failing and losing, and you can't go through this kind of blockage Like what I have been doing all my life. Yeah, now, yeah, we have. I have established nine companies all together and I had my own dysfunctional pattern behind that. Now I'm aware of it and I know when it kicks in. But the key was that when I got an idea I started to do I didn't care what others are thinking. You need to be in some way egoistic as well, like I'm not saying that ego is bad. I'm never saying it. Ego is our like ally. It's helping us or protecting us as well, and sometimes you need to be ego maniac in some ways. But healthy.

Speaker 2: 32:22

Healthy one.

Speaker 3: 32:26

It either works for you or it works against you. Like anything, any physical structure in your body.

Speaker 2: 32:33

Let's do it. That attitude helps to build a resilience.

Speaker 3: 32:36

Yeah, definitely. Fourth, I would say self-awareness. Then, coming back to are you really truly connected in all the layers? And to really also understand what you're bringing to the table, or what are your true goals or dreams, or even having the courage to admit that. And sometimes these might be frightening and it's so much more safer to go blend in, be nothing, say nothing, do nothing, but at the same time, your soul inside is just screaming and just wanting you to be self-aware and authentic and have the courage to live your true potential, because that, for me, is the biggest challenge for us all. And again, change isn't easy, but it takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of courage, it takes a lot of discipline, it takes a multidisciplinary team to support you, to help you, and you really need to be working both on a physical, mental and emotional level. So everything has to be aligned. So it's not, it's simple, but it's not easy. Humor, humor, yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:54

Life without humor is not the life.

Speaker 3: 33:56

Exactly, and we definitely have learned to laugh about things.

Speaker 2: 34:00

You cannot take things seriously as soon as you lose touch with this lightness and Maybe one thing to add what we have learned from our own journey is Only one yeah, only one thing yeah is no attachments, because what we have noticed is that when we are getting attached on something, whatever it is or whomever it is he or she or whatever then An idea, even just an idea. Then everything stops Completely, like the energy flow stops and nothing flows anymore. And when we are letting it go, then everything starts to flow again and move, and it seems that it moves to the right direction all the time.

Speaker 1: 34:44

No, that's very true. If you could both start a movement today, what would the movement be called?

Speaker 2: 34:51

Coming through self. This is the message that we are spreading around and this is what we are doing. This is the point of our work. This is the point of a Librium helping people to become their true self. Yeah, it might sound like a cliché, but it's not. This is, I think this is the main thing, what people are looking for. I'm looking it, you are looking it, monika is looking it, all the listeners are looking it. It takes time. Maybe it takes several lifetimes, I don't know that. I can't say that I'm there, but I know that I'm moving into the right direction, and this is what we are helping others to do as well.

Speaker 1: 35:27

I love that. This is why I like you both, because you're so focused on your mission, on other people, but you're using your own experiences to deliver what you're so passionate about. That takes courage, it takes resilience, and I like what you said earlier about having a dream. But equally, if the dream doesn't scare you, the dream is not big enough. It should scare you. So anybody listening out there and have got a dream, they want to do something. If it doesn't scare you, go back to the drawing board, because it needs to scare you in order to motor value to that next level. When we look at leaders or people of influence past, present, is there anybody you'd like to have a dinner with or a conversation with at a park that you would just? I want to have a conversation with that person because I want to understand their world. Is there anybody really that stands out to you? Who would you just like to sit and have a talk with? Maybe even the future self of you?

Speaker 2: 36:27

Definitely. I think everyone would like to meet their future self. But this is also a very common question in those games like group games, like you're getting a card with one question and the question is if you can get anyone in the world in the past or in the present to the inner than who it would be. And I have been thinking. We last week went to theatre to see no way, no way. I see how it is called in English we meant to see a play called the Father. The Father by Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 3: 37:01

It's by Anthony Hopkins. He's playing in it. I had the same idea in a way.

Speaker 2: 37:07

And as Anthony is so old now he's, I think, 87 or 88, and now he's again. A new film is coming out in a couple of weeks I thought that I would really like to meet Anthony Hopkins when he's still alive. He's fantastic. When I saw him first time in a movie called the Fastest Indian, when he was driving with a motorcycle, and how he plays and how he brings the character out. That's it. He's a real master. I would really like to meet him in person Before that, for me, as I have my first day on 6th of April and the Ramdas also, Guru Ramdas had his first day on 6th of April. I thought a couple of years ago I would really like to meet Ramdas, but he's gone now, but now as a living person, Anthony Offins.

Speaker 3: 38:02

Weird enough, I was going to say the same thing. I was sitting here thinking this is weird. He's not thought of as a conventional leader, but for me, I admire him. There's just this life force and what he has done in film and how he is, it's so authentic, it's so raw. And seeing him as a normal person, what he posts, just that is truly inspiring for me and for him. I look at him as a role model and as somebody who has the courage to be them. Firing Number two would be Viktor Frankl, already gone.

Speaker 1: 38:46

Why would you choose him?

Speaker 3: 38:47

Because still, Man's Search for Meaning is my undeniable favorite book.

Speaker 2: 38:53

And no Elon Musk or Steve Jobs came. Which?

Speaker 3: 38:56

doesn't mean that we don't respect them or look up to them or admire them. No, there are a lot of people, but just in this spirit at the moment, yeah, Anthony Hopkins is a very spiritual being.

Speaker 1: 39:11

He does a lot of law, direction, staff manifestation, a lot of various guidance with people as well, so I know that he's very inspirational. I want to thank you both for your time and your love and your energy here. Is there anything you would like to give to the audience, or a word of advice? Or come and visit a website or whatever you're building, to get in contact with you?

Speaker 2: 39:32

Yeah, you can always take contact with us through LinkedIn. You can find us from LinkedIn and you can also visit our website in Libriumcom. People who are looking us. They will find us definitely. And guys, we have something to share with the world. Come and take a look.

Speaker 3: 39:49

One message that we again that has come up so many times is that I really want to people understand, is that you are never alone, never ever, and we have this slogan that we see you, we hear you, we feel you, and that really is the truth and, as I said, it's about this collective change, the role that each and every one of us plays in it. So I love that.

Speaker 1: 40:20

Thank you very much for your, as I said, for your time, for your love and for your dedication for what you do. It really does make a difference, and this is why I'm so inspired by you both, and this message of yours needs to get shared. So thank you for your time, thank you.

Speaker 3: 40:39

Thank you for having us. It has been pure pleasure as.

Speaker 1: 40:42

I said to begin with, it's my honor to have you here as an honor serving you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you don't and he haven't yet gone take notes, go back, rewatch it, download it, share it. It may change somebody's life. For myself, I'm your host, Baz Porter, with love and blessings, have a amazing day. Whatever you do, be safe and be well.