Overcoming adversity, harnessing the power of the subconscious mind, and learning to thrive is our focus in today's enlightening episode with clinical therapist and hypnotherapist Amanda Craven. Amanda walks us through the intricacies of hypnotherapy, a means by which she explains we can unlock past traumas and heal childhood wounds. This is not about control but about choices and an open mind. Her journey through a cancer diagnosis not only inspired her career but also underlined the importance of mind-body connection in overcoming life's most significant challenges.
Amanda generously shares lessons learned from her own experiences with failure and self-sabotage, providing valuable insights on the importance of understanding your employees' values for the success of any endeavor. She also emphasizes the impact of rituals and habits for self-empowerment, urging us to permit ourselves to be who we indeed are. Drawing from the wisdom of public figures like Dolly Parton and Billy Connolly, who have found success despite challenging pasts, Amanda underlines the inspiration to be found in the success stories of others.
We're wrapping up this power-packed episode with a sneak peek into Amanda's book, "Power Tool for Life Goals." This five-step tool promises to guide you toward achieving your life goals. So, if you're ready to embrace the healing power of your subconscious mind, understand the role of adversity in shaping passion, and find tangible tools for achieving success, this episode is for you. Tune in and get ready to be inspired.
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Good evening, good morning, good day wherever you are in the world, and thank you very much for tuning in to another episode of Rise in the Ashes. Today I have a special guest with me. Her name is Amanda Craven. She's from the UK. She's an amazing human being, an amazing story. I had a conversation with a few weeks ago and I invited her onto this podcast because I believe people need value. People need to speak and think outside of the box. Amanda does just this. She has come over some adversities in her life, but I'm not going to tell you about it. Amanda is Amanda welcome and thank you for being here today. It's a privilege and it's a true pleasure to see you here.Amanda :
Oh, thank you likewise, baz. I'm very honoured to have been invited to join you on your podcast. Thank, you.Baz Porter:
So can you tell me a bit about yourself, firstly, what you do and where you are and who you help?Amanda :
Yeah, sure. So my mission is to help leaders, founders, entrepreneurs, ceos heal from childhood wounds and childhood adversity, including various forms of abuse, that are getting in the way of their joy in life and or their business growth and success, because, as you know, past experiences can be stuffed down, can lie dormant for many, many years, decades even, but they're still there and at some point they are going to work their way up into our upper subconscious, where our behaviours and thought patterns are affected, and they will impact on the actions we take, the decisions we make, and brings up all sorts of unwanted behaviours and symptoms. So, yeah, this is my mission to help people who are being stopped in their tracks by what has happened in their past.Baz Porter:
Okay, awesome. And how long have you been doing this for? I know you had a pause in your career, but how long have you been doing this?Amanda :
So I've been an entrepreneur myself. For just over 24 years I've been doing the job that I'm now doing, although I don't even call it a job, because it's something that brings me so much joy and satisfaction. For the last eight years, I've been a clinical therapist.Baz Porter:
Can you define a clinical therapist, because that has a broad aspect on a lot of what we do as coaches and as mentors.Amanda :
So what are your other words? Yeah, sure. So hypnotherapy, and sometimes referred to as hypnosis, is a way of tapping into our subconscious mind, which represents between 90-95% of our total mind, and when we are just having a conversation, like we are now, we're using that top conscious layer, with occasional dips into our subconscious, to retrieve memories and facts, etc. If you don't mind, I've actually just happened to have a diagram. I didn't prepare this, but this is what I use when I have a consultation with people who are backing with me in order to explain what hypnotherapy does and how we use it for therapeutic purposes. So this circle represents your whole mind, with the top layer being the conscious layer. 5-10%. As I said, that means that everything else the other 90% is the subconscious mind, and some things get stuffed down. If they're overwhelming at the time that they happen, and for whatever reason maybe because we're too young and we don't have the ability, or we just don't have the resources to deal with that trauma or adversity it gets stuffed down. So we might think that we've forgotten it, but actually it's still there and at some point it is going to start seeping up. But psychotherapy in general talking therapies and counselling and a lot of coaching. I know what you do is quite special, but general coaching all I'm struggling to get in the right place with the camera here and all happens above that orange line, all in the conscious area of our mind. So it's limited because it's only impacting on that 5-10%. So hypnotherapy, which is harnessing the power of our ourselves to go into our subconscious mind, enables us to access the other 90-95% of what is inside us, that every memory, experience, sight, sound, smell, absolutely everything we have experienced in our life is below that orange line, and hypnotherapy and harnessing hypnosis for therapeutic purposes enables us to go into that part of our mind and to make repairs, to heal wounds and to create a resolution so that people are then able to start a new chapter. They're not being dragged back down into their past by stuff that that happened, that is impacting, but in a very sort of off the radar kind of way. Most people don't even realize that their past is impacting on them, so hypnotherapy taps into that. But a lot of people are afraid of hypnotherapy because they feel that there is some sort of control that the hypnotherapist can control or take over the mind of that person. And you absolutely can't take over control of somebody's mind. If, as a hypnotherapist, you make any suggestions that go totally against the beliefs or the values of that person, they will do one of two things they either just ignore your suggestion to go explore a certain thing or to to take some some action within their mind, or they will just come out of the state of hypnosis and say this isn't for me, so you can only do what somebody is open to and what somebody deep down inside of them wants to to do places they want to go, which is why it's important to for any prospective clients to understand what it is, that it's not about control and for them to know that they they have choices all the way through and therefore they can be open minded during the session.Baz Porter:
I've maybe gone off on a tangent there, I don't remember if that's that's that's, that's kind of information, because people have this stereotype about hypnosis, maybe from TVs and other things. But what, how you've defined it is, you have free will, even under an altered state, and hypnosis any, any subconscious work, super conscious subconscious, deeper consciousness work is under an altered state, whether it's asleep at night or, equally, if you're doing auto suggestion through affirmations and listening to YouTube stuff or whatever it is. You still have that free will and that's, I think that's how major misconception within the world when it comes to hypnosis been given a bad rap. But I love how you analogy that you gave that you have. You have a choice, everyone has a choice, and it's valuable and it's also worth remembering whoever's listening to this. You always have a choice. Don't ever go against your morals or your values. Beliefs can be changed. There's a system to change beliefs and implement them and grow from them, but your morals cannot. Free will can't be implemented or can't be manipulated because someone tells you to do something. You should have a free will do so. I love that reminder. In your time coaching and throughout your growth in life, can you share with the audience a significant challenge that you faced either with your life or career that you are enabling overcame to succeed and thrive from yes, yeah, absolutely.Amanda :
I think one of the major key events was what brought me into the world of hypnotherapy and that was when, 13 and a half years ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer quite a shock diagnosis. I was 41 years old at the time. I'd been breastfeeding all my children. I didn't have any risk factors, so it was a wheel out of the the blue diagnosis which knocked me for six, and my youngest daughter was just one year old at the time. So you know the trauma that that that brings into your world and how it shakes everything up is quite tremendous. And I found that, in order to help me deal with some of those struggles, and especially around the treatment that I needed and the general anaesthetic, I had a real, terrible fear of that and I reached out to a clinical hypnotherapist to help me get through some of those issues and it just blew me away how it helped me. I felt almost like I was able to glide through and have this sort of resolution, that I had done everything that I could and now I was just going to trust in the universe, trust in the medical professionals, and I felt that I had the strength to deal with whatever was about to emerge and, thank God, it was a very positive outcome. So I had follow-up treatment and it takes a while to recover, to fully get your mojo back, but once I did that, I decided that I wanted a change of career, a new chapter, and I trained as a clinical hypnotherapist and life coach. And then, when I was doing that training, I travelled to a different city once a month for three or four days. I knew I had come home. It suddenly helped me make sense of everything and I knew that I was about to start practising something that brought together my innate gifts, if you like, the training that I'd received, plus my own life experiences. The cancer diagnosis was one of those, one of life's traumas that I've dealt with, one of the biggest ones, and all of that came together and has made me into a much better, much more effective therapist than I believe I would have been had I not personally overcome adversity as well. So it was just this sense and I think you've experienced that, baz, in listening to you talk in the past that sense of this is what I'm meant to do. This is it. This is where I'm meant to be.Baz Porter:
Yeah, and it's about I mean, I agree with you completely. It's about finding your purpose, and there is no successful person in the world who has generated a certain level of success that hasn't gone through some sort of adversity, trauma, setback I'll be able to define it in that, but on top of that, they've gone. I'm going to use it to fuel my passion and learn from it, rather than what most people do and this is a common trait with 80% of the world and they pull themselves down and they become victim to what's happened to them instead of going. Actually, I can use it for me, not against me. Tony Robbins speaks about using life's happening for you, not to you, and he refrains it in that modality, which is great, and that's exactly what you've done. You used a traumatic event or, I'm going to rephrase it, a perceived traumatic event that you went through and gone. I love this. This is awesome. What can I learn from it and what can I apply to it? As, in yourself, grow from and then teach others how to do the same thing? And there isn't the cancer survivor or cancer thriver that I've ever met that hasn't gone through this dark night of the soul aspect of it. And I've been trying. Oh my God, my life's falling apart. We've all heard of the big C and what happens and all the horror stories with it, but that is no longer the case. There are things, the treatments out there. There are things you can do with your mindset to overcome that terrible disease that you know, 20 years ago people were dropping off the face of the earth for because they didn't understand it, the word disease, disease, disease. isn't this your emotions so conscious? Every component of our body is comprised of 63 trillion cells. You generate 10,000 cells per second every single day. So 10 million cells every single second, every single day. And if you can do that and replace them, but replace them with higher vibrations, that's where you teach things.Amanda :
Yes, yeah, and yeah I mean, having said that, since the cancer and through my work and research, I've done a lot of research into that mind-body connection, of course, and the 10 years preceding my diagnosis was a toxic marriage full of narcissistic abuse, and that is. I've concluded that that was what caused that tumor, because there were no other risk factors and the type of cancer is not one that is hereditary and there was nobody else in the family. So I believe it was that toxic relationship and the abuse and my response to it that triggered that. But yeah, that's another discussion, isn't it? But that mind-body connection is just so powerful.Baz Porter:
I mean, that's so valuable information for people going through a relationship breakdown or they maybe they even want to realize this, listening to you and go well, that's something like me. I've not been in your position. I've never want to be. However, what you can learn from that and what you can take away from it is so, so powerful. People don't realize it. What out from where you go in the realization of that? What habits did you start to adopt through the rituals? If the rituals in the morning or there were something you applied to your life that is still very, very prevalent today, whether it be like cold showers in the morning, walking, exercise, meditation, what do you do personally that someone who is in a similar situation is going through an unhappily marriage make possibly? or a relationship breakdown wants to relieve that relationship, for whatever reason. There's no judgment, but they are unhappy with themselves, but they feel trapped. Yes, yeah, I mean. There's so many women and men equally in their position who don't feel empowered enough to go, and this isn't for me, or I'm not confident enough to write up about this. What advice or rituals do you have in your life to help them?Amanda :
Yeah. So, first of all, if anyone is in any sort of abusive relationship whether it's an ocean or verbal or physical abuse then the person receiving that abuse if that's the right word needs to know that it's not their fault, that they are not responsible for that, and they are going to rebuild themselves by starting on the real inside. So that will start with kind self-talk and I've become a lot kind to myself. Instead of beating myself up for being a little bit disorganized or being this, that or the other, I give myself permission to be who I am. I'd love to be far more organized, but I'm not. I just roll with how I am. I look after myself. I listen to my body a lot more. What it what it needs in terms of nourishment, food, drink, so I'm I'm much better at feeding myself and making sure that I'm putting good into my body. I'm not a purist by any stretch and I enjoy a cream tea, an afternoon tea, every now and again and yeah, know how to just let go. But looking after yourself, talking to yourself, kindly, giving yourself permission to be who you are, giving yourself what, what you need, listening to to your body. I started doing regular exercise, I found I tried lots of different gyms and I found one that I absolutely loved, and now I lock out four gym classes a week and that's it. They are prioritised, my client and everything else fits in around these gym classes, so they are my protected zones and that that's my me time. I also give myself permission to go for a walk. I'm very lucky to live five minutes from the, from the coast, from the sea, and I give myself permission to go off for a walk in between clients, get some fresh air, instead of thinking, oh, I've got to do something else, or it's the working hour. A few years ago I would have thought, oh, if my neighbors see me going out for a walk during the working day, they're going to think, oh, she's not working very hard and I was afraid of people judging. So I've given myself permission to be who I am, to follow my own gut instincts. I know what I need to recharge my batteries and to come back and to better serve my, my clients. And if that's going for a walk, buying a nice big ice cream and then coming back to my desk, then that's. That's what I do. So it's a combination of exercise, fresh air, good food, but not being obsessive about it and and going with the flow.Baz Porter:
I love that. There's some key things you said there. On the simplifier shame let go of it. It's not your fault and a lot of people in domestic volatile situations and a phrase it like that are unaware of the shame or they don't want to admit themselves. There's some of you. Keys in that. In that reply was and it was gold. Give yourself permission, yourself permission to do what's best for you, without expectation, without judgment, without shame, without disgrace or however you want to frame this. If you are in an unhealthy situation, no matter what that is, it is your responsibility to stand up for yourself out of shame and go. This is who I am and I am no longer accepting this. For a lot of people and I know you included from your past, that was an unheard of thing because of what you were programmed to think and do and the way you were supposed to be now is now so important, not just for people listening to this, but for your children's children's children, to stand up and recognize how powerful you are, without shame, without disgrace, without these limiting beliefs. Within your life, and I personally have mentors and people I aspire to. I call them the 100 list. That 100 list quickly became a 500 list and now a thousand lists. These are people that I want to meet, greet, have conversations with because they inspire me. So who inspired you? Who was your inspiration along your journey? Were there any public figures or were there personal figures that you would like to recognize?Amanda :
yeah, so my parents were inspirational, but my dad still is. My mum sadly passed away my age actually and so, yeah, far too young, and my dad now has dementia. He's not the same person in many ways, but yeah, they, they inspired me in so many ways. They encouraged me. They were parents of the the 70s, when shaming actually was a very common parenting technique as well as educational technique. So they, they weren't perfect by any means, but I felt loved and I felt I felt safe. And yeah, they, they, they inspired me, they gave me the, the courage. I went to live in a different country when I was quite young. I went to to study quite far away from home, and they gave me the, the confidence to to be able to do that. In terms of public figures, I've got a couple of them, perhaps slightly unusual role models, I don't know absolutely adore Dolly Parton, as well as loving her music. I just think that she is this potentially small woman but such a powerhouse and she's got such a business head on her and has this, this combination, this amazing combination of softness but business acumen, and just seems to be living life on her terms, as she wants to be. So I think she's quite amazing. And Billy Connolly, do you know Billy Connolly?Baz Porter:
I do, I think a bit. I mean, he's living in Florida now, isn't he? And sadly he's not in great health, but he had a tremendously tough upbringing in Glasgow, near the, the dockyards. He suffered a lot of abuse at the hands of the, the carers who were supposed to be looking after him, and he is another one who has found his way and has lived life on his terms from from the moment he was able to untangle himself from from his past and from the, the abusive family setting. And I have so much admiration for people who can lift themselves out of adversity and say actually no, I'm not going to follow that path, this is what I want to do and I'm going to do it, and they're the sort of people who really do inspire me and this is why I like people like you, because who would have ever thought that Dolly Parton or even Billy Connolly would ever inspire an entrepreneur?Baz Porter:
but this is the day that we live in, because the most unlikely people inspire millions and millions and they don't. They may or may not know that they actually do for different reasons. Dolly Parton inspires for her music and then she's legendary in that field, but she also, like you said, people are not so much aware of her business state, her business affairs, because they're not as advertised, but she's a co-founder and investor in many, many businesses yeah, he's very business savvy. I love the analogy with you, know, but in commonly, who has such a repertoire for making other people laugh? Yeah, equally, who was the happiest man in public, the saddest man alive outside of public? And that was Robin Williams, the late, great Robin Williams, but the kindest person. If you have had an experience I didn't, but if you ever had an experience and I know this to restore is other people telling you this he would give this shot of his back to people when he would do a movie. He would actually employ homeless people on the set in the local area.Amanda :
Yes, I heard that.Baz Porter:
Yes, he felt as if it was only right to give back to them, and here are many other. I've never heard of anybody else doing that locally. Now I may be wrong, but if I send me an email, that's fine. But it's about giving back and it's about aspiring to be Better than the previous version of yourself, or better than the previous people who brought you up what you said in the late 70s, even 80s and in nearly 90s. I'm the last of the Generation X. Well, we don't care and you come on the offenders, because we've been through that, that stage, and now there's another generation coming through and there's a load of controversy about that. But it's having the openness to be judged, but also, equally, judge yourselves but aspire to be somebody different as a role model for the next generation. Can you recommend any books or not so much podcast books, especially if you have any podcasts not just this one, but that you are actively listening to that helped you overcome adversity or inspired you in a different way to move forward in your life?Amanda :
Dr Gabor Maté is a real favourite of mine. I don't know if you've read any of his stuff. When the body says no is one of his probably best sellers. He's written quite a few books. So, hungarian, canadian, lives now in Canada. He experienced trauma in his very early life and has done family medicine, palliative care, supported drug addicts in downtown Vancouver, I think it was and he has joined all the dots over his, his, his lifetimes work. He's now longer working as a doctor but is a public speaker and a very listenable one to stuff on YouTube. Oh, he has, yeah, as I say, joined those dots between what happens to us in our life and how we respond to it and the impact on our mental health, of course, but also our physical health. As I mentioned about my theory on where my tumour probably came from, there are lots of autoimmune, very debilitating autoimmune diseases that he has linked to childhood trauma, adversity and when things are not worked through, when those wounds are not healed, the people tend to go into one or two directions. One they may become complete codependence or people-pleasers, and their needs are constantly put to the bottom of the pile. They will not take care of themselves, they will not listen to their own body. They will not give themselves permission to live the life they want to. They are constantly serving others at their own expense, or somebody may just go to the other extreme, thinking that they're serving themselves or doing what they want, but end up with addictions of some sort, and Gabor Matei has written and spoken extensively about that and that has informed a lot of the work that I did, especially when I was first starting out. So, yeah, if people who are watching and listening to your podcast haven't discovered Dr Gabor Matei, then he's definitely one to look out for.Baz Porter:
The link will be in the description below. I'll put it as a special link. You just go to Amazon wherever it is, but probably on Amazon, I'm not sure so thank you for that. The word failure has often been viewed as a negativity. Can you tell the audience, or share with the audience, a perceived failure in your life that you overcame, not just with the cancer and that, that, that, that era of your life, but another another issue that you may have had that you overcame with it being business, especially in entrepreneurs and this going out to a lot of people in that industry business owners sorry, operators going to business owner what failure you overcome that really inspired you to you know, put your head down and go further.Amanda :
Right, yes, well there, there have been quite a few in my business life. As I say, I've been an entrepreneur for for over 24 years and my first business it was a language school for children in a different part of the UK from where I live now, and I started it because I'd spotted a gap in the market. I was a linguist. That was my initial training and experience, professional experience. So set up this language school teaching French and Spanish to children from the age of two, three years old up to up to 16. And it really grew very quickly, just mushroomed and took me, took me by surprise. I employed people to to help me run this business, but there was a fundamental lack of self belief at that point and I don't think I could accept that. It was taking off like a rocket and I started self sabotaging and sabotaging the business success. I paid the people who worked for me as much as I possibly could and quite often I paid them more than I was taking myself. And that was just one of the decisions that I look back now and see that I was just pulling the rug from underneath my own feet, Because there was a part of me that couldn't believe that this was working and that didn't believe I was worthy of success and becoming becoming wealthy. Even so, I made it unravel and the business carried on for some time. Eventually I sold it for nothing like what it had originally been worth, but I've learned a lot from from that and since I've done a lot of work on my self worth and now I am in a much better place and I am just embracing all the success that is coming my way. And so, yeah, that was a failure in a way, but a learning experience.Baz Porter:
Yeah, I mean, that's a huge takeaway to have If you can learn for something that was a detriment to your business, health, life, whatever you want to call it but also equally, learn and grow from it and apply the skill sets that you've experienced through. That Are you don't pay an employee more than you pay yourself.Amanda :
Yes, fundamental rule, you know you.Baz Porter:
equally, you need to value who you, who is working with you, and they need to have a similar vision. I go into companies. Sometimes I place people that are in the, who are brilliant people, but just in the wrong positions, or they are not suited for where they're working and they lose hope, they lose heart, they lose focus because they don't like what they're doing. And instead of firing them, there are many ways to grow a company without firing somebody. One of the ways, instead of letting them go, is have a look at what they actually like, interview them, have conversations with them, open up you know a transformational conversation with that person and say look, 20 years ago you were in the same position and you're still doing the same thing and you're really happy. If not, can we help you? You've been a while for the company. You're obviously not happy because you're coming in scruffy. You're not shaven. You know you've changed. Is there something wrong at home? Can we help you? Even when, these conversations are going to be valuable to you as a company, as a business owner, and, equally, if you raise the standard of the company, whatever that company may be, and you're raising the standard, anybody else who isn't raising it with you are going to fall away. They'll leave automatically A reaction to a result of we're going up here, now who's going to come with me? Equally, it's okay if you're not. Let's have a look at where you may be going, the values and the basis of it. There's that so easy way to do it. With that I know you've got so much going on at the moment. What aspirations do you have in the future? Are you going to scale up? Are you going to go public? Do you want to go public? Do you want to branch out? Do you want to have employees? What do you want to achieve in the next three to five years, or even further if you have that?Amanda :
vision. Yeah, definitely want to grow. I want to be able to reach more people, so this will be expanding. At the moment, the majority of my work is one to one, but I want to create a group program so that I can serve more people at a time. So if you want to do it at a time, you can only serve properly a few people a week. You can only serve you to so many more people. You want to find ways of reaching more people. That will be through developing group programs as well as continuing and perhaps with a small number of one-to-ones, because I really value that work and I so appreciate the transformation that that intimate work setting can bring. But, yeah, so that will be the next step. In a few months' time I will be looking at creating developing group programs from what I've been doing on the one-to-one basis.Baz Porter:
So when that happens, please let me know. I'm happy to help you grow that. I know that it is an open book. My experience growing groups, maths and Ions, whatever you want to call them. Workshops can be very difficult and challenging, but I've actually just there's a lot to do it. I've found that really works. Let me know when you want to do that.Amanda :
Absolutely well, yeah, without a doubt.Baz Porter:
Is there anything else you wish to share, a book or a coaching that you wish to share with the audience? Somewhere that I can direct people?Amanda :
Well, I haven't mentioned this, but I have. I've got a few books on Amazon. One of them is the Power Tool for Life Goals, and I'd love to mention that now because it is also a kind of result of everything that I have experienced personally, professionally, and it's a five-step tool to smash your goals, basically. And I want to take on smart goals because a few years ago, when I was asked to deliver a workshop on goal setting, I started preparing it around smart goals, which is what I was brought up on when I first did business training. And as I was doing this, I thought this is restrictive. Thinking about is it, asking yourself, is it achievable? And I thought no, I don't want the people I'm teaching about setting goals to keep themselves small because they think, oh, a bit too. I wanted them to reach for the stars. So I thought about my own processes, the ways I have created businesses, got over adversities and created this five-step process. So power the word power has the five letters that represent each of the steps. So picture your goal. For the P, o is take one step at a time and take baby steps. W when do you want to have achieved this? By when do you want to start. When is each section or each step going to start? E to evaluate Okay, check in with yourself with the quantifiable measures, but also check in with how you're feeling. Does this feel right? Are you on the right track? Is this actually a goal that you want? And then that leads us onto R, the reason. Checking in with the reason Are you setting this goal because somebody has told you you should be doing this, or are you setting it because, in your heart of hearts, you absolutely want it? So yeah, giving me the opportunity to mention the book. It's a colourful workbook, workbook type book with lots of free downloadables and some podcasts audio podcasts that people can get to to help them work through any obstacles they come across, and I'm very, very proud of it.Baz Porter:
Thank you, Amanda. Thank you very much for sharing what you shared today, and I truly believe this will be an inspiration for many people who are finding their feet and waiting or looking within themselves to find that confidence to arise from the ashes of adversity they've been through.Amanda :
So it's a pleasure for me to be here today.Baz Porter:
It's really an honour, a privilege, to have this time with you, thank you.Amanda :
Oh, thank you. The honour and privilege is all mine. No, thank you. No, it's truly mine. Thank you. All right, we'll share it. That works, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.Baz Porter:
This will be available on the usual streams Apple, iCloud, Buzzsprout, my website, iHeartRadio, and all the rest of them, Kind of the same. I can't even remember. So thank you very much for listening. It's been a privilege, it's been a pleasure. Until next time. I will see you very shortly. Remember it's always one step at a time and you will always rise from the ashes, and today is that day to start. Take care, be blessed.